They will be far better off knowing the Son of God. The same is true for many ARC churches. Ive just looked again at David Platts photograph at the top of this thread. And on top of that, we do not get paid for taking care of my mother with dementia and her other health problems, my grandbaby with special and high time consuming needs, or trying to battle against the babys father who pretended to be a Christian and now has threatened to kill my daughter and take the baby to Fiji where his family lives and his father is a pastor of a church there. We should be supporting not admonishing! But the idea that we are first born again and then immediately sent on mission of some sort (publicly profess the faith for example) was how we were taught back in the day in SBCville. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. I came across the Disasko reference here. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. i have a feeling it isnt wondered about. David Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. The academy serving the Church is not explicit in scripture. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? InDavid Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? @ Thersites: Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. United prayer, therefore, requires that the one for whom we pray be looking away from us to the Lord Jesus Christ, and we together look to Him alone (1), respectfully, as you anticipate heavenly things, make every effort to be found at peace with The Lord Jesus, and that pressing towards being without spot or blemish, growing in the grace and knowledge of our Savior Jesus Christ. (That may be why they havent pushed us too hard to sign the old one. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. Should it come from the pulpit only? Paul preached in the open, in a rented room, in synagogues, and in writing while on house arrest. The great irony is that, in their vast contempt for women, these young men are haplessly led (like an ox going to the slaughter) astray by preaching itself, the true adulteress in this scenario. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. Why are we so stupid? If we show the world what a high cost we are willing to pay for Gods love, the world might be able to look outside the order of created things and see a Hope that they would be willing to pay the cost for. People want to belong, Sneak-Peek: R U Representing Christ, Perhaps?. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free, the church is being very wise in theyre decision making, David Platt knows his family and what he needs to do to spend time with him. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. The Calvinist are attempting to win a prized stronghold in northern Virginia. Ive seen it work well. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. From 2014 to 2017, Platt was president of the International Mission Board. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. And once fully addicted to the mind-blowing joy of preaching to a captive audience, who on earth wants to grub around in the tedious undergrowth of mundane serving of others? One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. I would like to say to all of you. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? I think a marriage of convenience took place, and human nature made sure that it stayed that way when things became very inconvenient a few short years later. Well, I am officially terrified of diverticulitis now! Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? Despite endlessly checking the classpath variable in bash_profile, and umpteen different variations thereon, I couldnt get a test file to run (it took long enough to get it to compile). I am sorry the elders feel that David Platt is the next best step for the Mclean body. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?. Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. its high time for change. Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. When I entered the state of the art auditorium, I found myself absorbed in a sea of multiple thousands of attendees at one of the multiple Sunday services. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. The shareholders are proud of their new corporate bakery enterprise. I wanted to remain in that role. Seems like a focal point. They say they study and write sermons for 20-25 hours a week. I mean, they were so mad I have no doubt theyre trying to find me. If one person does happen to have a message that the church feels is important to be shared across all the campuses, then that person can travel around and deliver the message in person. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. @ AnonInNC: Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. Mahaney. I still want to know the story of the 1,000 SBC missionaries that were called home. Sometimes I think it insults womens intelligence that man cant be a corporate term. (The Marriott or Hilton, I cant recall which) Dave Furman, pastor at Redeemer Church of Dubai (the sponsor of the event) went along with the charade and was one of several who were filmed with their faces blackened to hide their identity as they were interviewed. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing (vs 13). There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. I have not seen that to be true in most churches with most Teaching on Sunday Elders. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Who will pay the cost as a revelation of the worth of Gods love? Prediction: he will come on board full time within a year. But seeing it in the best light, the person to whom you spoke was just ignorant and ill-informed, not malicious. I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. I did a Google search on this and found that many other fundamentalists (whom I often disagree with) have heavily criticised churches and organisations that have signed up to 501c3. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. ___ Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. It is not my place to question Gods call on this mans life, but again, I have a lot of concerns about this. Why are we surprised at those results when were flat begging for them? This should not be confused with ministry. Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. I dont disagree. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. ___ In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. Platt can recite long Scripture passages from memory and moves from one precise biblical reference to another to back up his points, which focus heavily on If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. He is doing exactly this! I like that people can request things like meals after surgery. I like the idea that, should I actually need real pastoral care at some point, it will be an option. This enhances the body that we are serving and being served no one is exempt from either one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. stroke. And therein lies the rub. But the church leaders who are in bed with the Gospel Coalition and selling books by Mahaney himself, or DeYoung, Carson, Piper and the others really should know better. Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. More customers flock in/buy in to the marketing strategy and feel that the product enhances their life its even enriched and fortified. @ Hope: Did anything ever become of this at the IMB? Im afraid for our church. Its a fair question. This is made up of churches that left the Churchn of Scotland over homosexual ordination/ marriage etc and other churches that either are or became independent within the Gospel Partnership group. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? But the key is it gives that to the church, not to some supposed superChristian known as the pastor whom we pay to be the shaman and do OUR jobs. Thats what our church family is for. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. So here I sit on the fence not wanting to miss out on the excellent teachings in small classes at MBC but hungry for community (that is what a church is supposed to be, isnt it?). In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? But you know what I mean: they didnt go there predominantly to be public speakers. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. My wife just got home from her evening shift & I put in overtime. Reminds me of a famous one-liner by the late and much-loved English comedian Bob Monkhouse: When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. You can feel it! sigh. This phrase lacks, IMHO, just a single e. All the best! Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. The academy usually complies with the doctrine of the Church that supports it. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. The leadership is far to often unaware of, or opposed to, the real church that sometimes begins to form. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? To our readers And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. MBC used to meet at Langley High School before building a huge church building. my view is that Both Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler at one time were spokesmen for Docent a company you pay to research and write sermons for you. @ Paul: ++++++++++++++++++++. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. Open Discussion Page. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. Many dont. However, other fans, find Jimmys voice to be his hallmark trait. We shouldnt let out own viewpoint be the only criteria. @ Bridget: And because we are made in Gods image and likeness, its not good for us to be alone. Yep, I am one of the liberals and it has created much exiling in my SBC life. Flash forward about 20 years. Conferences. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. Many who say this buy sermon services to write their sermons for them. I dont remember the details, just that I got the idea that they shouldnt be encouraged to attend and fellowship with the body if theyre not comfortable making a commitment in writing. And that was his only job then. by BEING in right relationship with Him. Jesus preached and taught at the temple, in the open air and in the home of Martha/Mary and Lazarus as well as in the synagogues and sent the seventy out to wherever they could get somebody to listen. extremely disappointing, disillusioning. . This is one of the reasons I ended up ditching the SBC for good. @ Lydia: There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? He will never know the names of the members of his church. But maybe thats just me trying to figure out how in the world the Odd Couple ever got together and why Dever sold out what he claims to believe so fervently. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. WebThere are three general categories of speech impairment: Fluency disorder. And its the craziest thing ever. Of course, if the Trustees were transparent, we would not be speculating. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. It is very sad. Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. Naturally, then, they must compete against other bloggers for market-share. IMB deserves a full time, fully engaged chief executive. I may be reading too much into your comments. The gospel [good news(tm) ] that Jesus presents in John 3:16, for those that are infected with Calvinism, is simply not enough. Theyve got control of enough income streams, they can make what seems like a selfless move and still get paid while taking strategic control. I would hate to see old church buildings have to all be sold because the congregation couldnt afford exorbitant property taxes. Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. That sounds like a good first step, but its not a guarantee. I attended his church in Birmingham a number of times because my kids went to college in the area. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. That is the reason for the revisiting language, I think. Its true that not everyone likes it, but many people do. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! I believe Christians (the Church) have different responsibilities in the Church, not authority. ZechZav wrote (quoting an established evangelical motivational speaker): Im very upfront with my role to my church [sic]. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. The church needs to be contemporary, right? Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. The church there is made of people like us; its not free of difficulties or personalities. Having grown up in a mainline Protestant denomination, this experience was fabulous. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. Presented by a city councilman and including several city engineers. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. 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