Cynicism is the mask of discernment hiding a heart of bitterness and unbelief . I desire mercy not sacrifice. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Barry I am that lady!! Paul Benson A Bottomless Bucket (Part 5), Paul Benson An anti-Dispensational Bottomless Bucket (Part 4), Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornof, ,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God., These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have, Latter Rain Teaching / Dominionism / Kingdom Now, page recently and I find it very interesting, https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist, The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. I was all ears! Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 2.Where did Jesus say that? We dont consider Him to have been of weak faith. This is just my personal belief and not only will we do all that God commands us, but His very Glory will go before us. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied. UNQUOTE. stayed in his home and spent time with his family. A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. God is new every morning and so is His Holy Spirit leading. According to Torben Sndergaard, God made him time travel back to before he was born as a confirmation[27]. Amen, Marilyn..this is just something I have been becoming more aware of in recent times. Acts 5:38-39 And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Torben Sndergaard is founder of The Last Reformation, a movement that has spread all around the world the last few years. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` The FIRE that is called down from heaven in the last days by the Antichrist and his ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15) will lead to the wild fire spread of speaking in tongues. Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. I went to a conference of Rick Joyners where women with extremely long hair writhed on the floor like serpents (these women were allowed on stage). Torben does talk to people about Jesus and would appear to be genuine in his belief. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. Many people, including me, have been warning people on this blog NOT to throw the baby out with the bath water. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Torben Sondergaard was born in 1976 into a non-Christian family. I totally disagree with his position. a) to be troubled with cares Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. TELEPORTING WAS USED OFTEN in the NT. "Torben detailed his life in ministry. (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. My friends, that is not discernment. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. Bringing the traveling road show called WIERDSVILLE into the mainstream of modern church life. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. Please let the Holy Spirit discern, not flesh judgement!! Stephen St. Louis..your post was SO on target. It is the anointing that he wants to transfer onto people. This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. At once, the currents of holy power passed through my being, and I knew that it likewise passed through the one who was sick. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. [url removed]. I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. Torben Sndergaard hijacks you on the spot, does a willy nilly prayer with you, lays hands on you in the street, or dunks you under water at a baptism, a demon manifests (but does not actually leave), and then he lays hands on you again and forces that Spirit of FIRE into you until you speak in tongues, which according toTorben Sndergaard proves you are now truly saved. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. Sndergaard's legal team told CBN News that while ICE has discretion to detain someone who has an asylum application pending, it is extremely irregular for ICE to detain someone with a pending asylum application without criminal charges being involved. Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered ! Philip TELEPORTED. Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. Not just be exposing the False. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. These four obligations He discharges righteously, honorably, faithfully & perfectly. All I can say is that if Paul twice said he feared for the church of Corinth, then it shouId be ok for us to feel similar concern as well when it is warranted. I am limiting my comments to the specific issue raised above of whether Bill Johnson believes in the Divinity of Christ which he does which makes him our brother in the Lord , I am not going there with respect to your previous question about your friend . Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. That LIST of what is acceptable behavior for God is what got the Jews CUT OFF of the Vine. Seymour laid hands on the man and proclaimed, Let Thy Name be Glorified. Personally i believe the great commission reflects the exact words used by Holy Spirit though Peter in Act 2:37-38, because those Jews were Cut to the heart(Joe 2:13), their only hope was to His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. Here is a website for more information on what I am talking about: https://www.friendsoftorben.com/ And this video while you're at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJyr0DKyms Spread the word! In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. People who obsess about theological nuances like demonic possession and baptism tend to produce the same division they are complaining about. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary titled God's Best Children, which lumped Sndergaard in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. You missed the entire divine point and purpose of the video- to show that Jesus still uses ordinary , humble, weak nobodies to do his marvelous works. Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. Do you think because you read the bible that if you saw a man calling Himself Jesus, this very day, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS HIM? However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. We are never too young or too old to learn more about Jesus and the Father. Even the BABES HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. We have all learned those past lessons of gullibility and stupidity in embracing that charismatic sorcery. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. Ha, ha, ha! It is sadly often, as Terri has said, that it is other Christians who have been disappointed or are afraid what others may think that pour cold water on the faith of others. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. OMG! Our church is starting to get into witnessing on the street and giving out gospel tracts and such. We continue on and learn until the day we exit to Eternity. [8]Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faithwhich is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. Share on whatsapp. No. Boy! Baptizing you in water is a way of taking you back to the Hebrew way of doing things, and you push Jesus Christ completely out of the picture as the One who forgives you of your sin, instead the immersion in water is what forgives you instead. Accordingly, I cannot judge your motives or your walk with the Lord, nor can you judge mine. POLITICS is RUINING CHRISTIANITY by Andrew Strom, SHOCKING BIBLE STUDY The Lost Foundations by Andrew Strom, YOUNG BELIEVERS HEAL THE SICK Torben Sondergaard. Stay bless. He chose twelve disciples to preach the Kingdom of God, not to create a sect. Each and every one of us 3) to fear (i.e. Holy Spirit to death. We are merely obeying God who commands us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. Marie, i agree, there are people like what you describe. If those like Torden are burdened to go and minister to the streets to glorify the risen Lord, who would prevent it? weird, eerie, uncanny mean mysteriously strange or fantastic. . This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. (Psalm 34:8 NASB), What you have been through with your mother has strengthened your faith and established the hunger in you to see this established this healing this fullness of what is promised in the atonement in the world in which you live, Lift him up so that he experiences this practically himself and out of the overflow is overflowing Your Power through him to others, to everyone he comes in contact with , Love you brother, the Lord will link you into a team with others who also have this on their heart in your location wherever He takes you . (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. We walked out because we felt so oppressed. If it happened on the Day of Pentecost, who said that it would never happen again? At some point Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. You will receive an email and you will need to confirm your subscription. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? The arm had been totally severed at the shoulder. If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. opposite ditch of Legalism and cynicism of anything supernatural. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. It could be the GLORY Face like Moses manifested. Let us lead people to the Lord and let them be taught to reason out with the Lord and learn from Him, as He invites them to do so in the book of Isaiah. The Art of Revelation by Jonathan Welton (Intro, Chapter 1 & 2) The government then investigated the Sndergaard family when they began homeschooling. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. After all, isnt the point of all this to bring people to Jesus and not focus on the healing? In fact, OUR MANNA OUGHT TO BE FRESH EVERY MORNING as we progress in our relationship and understanding of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. Wow.Amen Marie! Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. A new Spirit-one that is more interested in making men thrilled and exhilaerated than in making men holy and heavenly minded and a new hope a hope in this world and in this age- where believers will rule and reign in this present dark age rather than the blessed hope the glorious appearing of The Lord Jesus Christ from heaven and the hope in the life to come which declares , if for this life only we have hope we of all men are to be most pitied .. Arrested NOT. I think you are right Barry. Look at all the healings in the NT. Why did God allow Korban to include the scammers an fakes favorite trick as part of this video? So when Moses comes back down the mountain the second time his face shone and he would hide it because the glory would fade. Thank you. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. In this case, I dont know if Toben is an elder or not as that fact is not made clear. Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. As I came out from under Rick Joyners Morning Star Ministries school for the prophetic, I see very many similarities from the teachings in that school to the teachings in Johnsons school. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. I would ask any of you to go back and read your posts and if you feel convicted that you were acting in your flesh, to repent and seek Gods forgiveness for doing so. This movement is helping the Church come back to the life we read about. Yet, what I did, I did in the Holy NAME of JESUS, under the authority of the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the remitter of my sins, and the only NAME wherein we can be saved. For what? Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. His reply? The NATURE/FRUIT of God cannot be worked on or achieved by the determination of a person. It very well could be true, but the video itself leaves many questions unanswered. Watchful..I found where Paul makes that statement about FEARING for the church in Corinth. Having said that however, God never asks us to throw our common sense out the window. He claims that about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed. He comes to SHOCK AND AWE! I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023 : Those who have reverence for the Lord live.. USA: 210 Democrats vote against bill requiring.. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023 . This is the church! Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. The first video is very bad. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. I think it very badly needs to be looked at. Trenton D. Adams said: Lets see a man with no leg, and see that grow out., A healing like that is documented to have taken place in the Azusa street revival in 1908, Excerpt taken from Azusa Street, They Told Me Their Stories For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. Praise the Lord for the doers of Gods word a d not hearers only. Similarly, the couple seems to be the parent of their kids. Thanks, Andrew keep posting the solutions. It is starting to get gangrene where the wooden leg attaches. He comprehends the sorrow of a bereaved soul. Im just given minimal paying jobs and I barely make enough money to even eat. Because he wants to give us the more. Just because someone says Lord, Lord, does not mean he is a child of God. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. their church out of control by the gifted ones. that scripture which states that the Power of God was present for Jesus to heal that was how far Jesus humbled Himself He was totally God while on earth but humbled Himself to only act under the Power of the Holy Spirit giving us an example that we should follow in His steps, He (Bill Johnston) explained that very clearly in his sermon, I checked him out earlier on in the year for myself , Another correction: but was performing . We strive like Paul towards the prize of the High Calling in Christ Jesus. If you do not understand something it is better to be quiet because it is possible your fighting against God. happening. (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. As an aside, God doesnt need to use any of us to heal anyone. There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. Share on facebook. Jesus said heal the sick, raise the dead, open the eyes of the blind. Years ago The Lord said there would be no more one man doing all the ministry but the sheep ministering to the sheep, one on one! After the time of the book of Acts came to an end, speaking in tongues and prophecy ceased. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. ISBN: 9783955783815 | Portofrei bestellen bei Bcher Lthy. Everything God does is HOLY- EVERYTHING GOD DOES FOR US , IN IS AND THROUGH IS IS HOLY-His love is holy, His works are holy , His miracles are holy, His motives are holy EVERYTHING INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY MAN IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE! It also helps with our conversation to each other to be encouraging & uplifting, & helps us to discern error when people would give us Or has it being ongoing amongst everyday people since He was sent to indwell those whom God draws to Himself..? I believe Torben has been shown a number of things that are We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. It's time we start obeying Jesus' words and make disciples of all nations. For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! I think a lot of people need to repent. You are so hungry for the real thing that any little trick will do. Marilyn. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. Many months later, I was made aware that an O/S visitor with healing ministry was in the area I prayed about this and was convicted that God would heal me that evening. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? Of course not. amount of `gobly gook.`. Sheriff's Office Openly Praises the Lord as Dozens of Inmates Get Baptized, Pledge Lives to Christ, Rabbi, Wife Sponsor Knesset Gathering to Focus Attention on the Widowed, Orphaned. Let us not forget Mathew 7:22-23, which everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring. I am very wary of Him, indeed. Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. other ditch on the far side of the road. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). I didnt want it to be about me so I asked my young lady helper to lay hands on her and pray . Where do you get your identity? For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 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