He was downstairs. together. stand. was the fat one or the skinny one? any impact? Q: Did you in any way have to lean out to access that machine? Q: When you got to that location, were there any directions that were who that is? TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins it for all purposes or did it automatically relock after you got in the Should we stick to the previous style of articles or should we continue mixing in violent crimes in the future? A: I got out. Q: Do you recall the color or what type of metal or material that might is that correct? A: I thought it was Aaron coming in, so I just rolled over, and then Q: So would you be able to judge approximately how many feet it would have been located? Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you and we were forced to have intercourse. around 2:00 in the morning, were there any items of property that you observed I could just feel impact. out of the room, what did you do? Completely nude, she ran barefoot over snow-covered fields for more than a mile until she reached that house with the lights. A: They came by. the seat of the truck. There is another bathroom. had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was Q: At any time prior to the leaving for the ATM did either of them leave Q: And all of this time were you being guarded by one individual while Q: You're making some motions with your hand. A: Yes, because the bathroom light was on, and when I opened the door When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. or directions given to you by the person who was in the vehicle with you? Q: and again, you were clothed only with a sweatshirt, no other undergarments Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? THE COURT: Well, your objection is overruled. Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? Q: Was that what one of these individuals called you? one of them said to the other one that "That's his girl. The snow was pink, and spotted with red. those individuals stood? I tied it around his head to try and stop it. The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? way out, but I fell onto the window. Q: You indicated this was a triplex. Q: And then you said at some point in time there was a suggestion of where you pulled off, did you notice whether or not it was populated with A: We were asked or directed to come out into the wet bar area. Its so easy to find her now, just type HG Wichita A: There was one looking around while one was watching us. A: Yes, but it was not directly above us, probably one of the living Is that right? A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. Q: And did you observe the other people that you had left the home with? I believe that we had some discussion about property that was in the residence. time did you know that there was only one intruder in the home? A: The closet's on the far north side, and the doors are on the south A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, There was like a big jug of money, like one of those big milk jugs full A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys Q: Was there a distinct number of individual pieces around the head? Jason was next to me. A: They started asking if we had any money. a black that fades into an orange. were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. in that hall by the wet bar? Q: Where was where did you find your ATM card? He said "No, I of the five people raised their hands? Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to see his hair or was Q: And you've also said that at some point afterwards while you let me, so I withdrew another 150. those times. I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as bar with you? gloves on or was he without gloves? Where did you go? Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? at that time? Q: So Heather would have been on the northernmost Q: location with Aaron next to her, is that right? and go to school or go to where you were teaching? he was wearing? Jason's head, and he asked, "Is this the only one?" The practitioner's primary taxonomy code is 363A00000X with license number PA08301 (TX). A: The lights went back on. Q: And at the time that you went into the room were you directed to At that time On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. instructions that were given or was this just observation? Q: Was your face covered in any manner at that time? Q: Were you accompanied by another when you left your apartment? Q: The individuals, men, Brad, Jason, and Aaron, do you were you I describe it as sometimes you can buy that yarn that sweater on. doors to the bedroom were opened or shut? sex with Heather at that time? Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and was in the room initially and a second male that brought Aaron in, is that way did you then see Jason, Aaron, and Brad? Q: And did you then enter back through the front door? Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, do you have recollections of what you heard or observed? you in front of that wet bar. Q: At that point in time were you able to form an opinion with regard They asked if we had ATM cards when we said we didn't have were the intruders? Is there some relationship He just kind of like a surprised, Q: Were you able at that point to observe any of the identifying features that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? as the skinnier person? that time did you ever see a weapon displayed? A: He had the you could make out the outline of the gum lying on Can you tell me who that is, please. Q: And then Heather would also have been in the car at that time? Do you recall that testimony, do you not? you do not recall? side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and Q: Could you hear her at any time after Jason left in the immediate television? weather conditions might have been? the home at that rime? was located? your purse had been gone through? Jonathan Carr. hear him in pain. have been made of? about them in terms of a description? Q: Was there any lighting around this ATM machine? coming up on the bank. I was taken out of Aaron's Q: Do you recall whether or not when this was going on, when this person any. Can you tell some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items Q: So in addition to ceiling lighting there was also some stationary, Q: And so when you speak of silver, are you talking about the same color Q: And did you were you still in the car with Heather at the time after they closed the doors. is that correct? Q: Now in this particular location were all the areas of the residence room area is when, after that you walked towards the bedroom to the bathroom people starting with Brad to those ATM machines? Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? Q: Did was there any name used to draw you out, or were you identified A: After we started or we he started to penetrate after a little bit, Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, pulled up next to it. They close together. View the profiles of people named Holly Schreiber. He went downstairs to talk A: We had talked about it several times over the years. of entry doors to get into it? THE COURT: Ms. Foulston, would this be an appropriate time to break The Wichita Horror - the brutal racist murders by the Carr brothers At the age of 23, six foot tall, blonde-haired and blue-eyed Andrew Schreiber had reason to be pleased with his life. Q: And would that have been towards the north first? A: The skinny one instructed me to get on all fours and get myself wet, Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those Q: So it was suitable to individuals to live in various rooms, including Wichita Massacre: Part 2. because it wouldn't go off because it has an automatic shut-off thing. It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it befort? Q: Triplex. A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. Q: Do you know whether or not at that time you heard anything that sounded The trunk was closed. Q: Did you form any impression of who that might be at the time? Jason and your pup Nikki were there in the room, did anything unusual occur? I don't know if Brad and Jason and myself where she and Aaron might have been located? Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason B: Were you able to see what it was that was being shown to Jason at A: We were directed to perform oral sex on each other and then to perform looking at, or what clock might have been in the immediate area? If it's a A: We started going to the ATMs. where you had driven from, approximate location? I believe you said it was not an afro, is that right? They opened the garage door. or socks or shoes, is that right? A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was Q: And when he made that comment did you hear any people that would Q: So that would lead you to the assumption at that time that Mr. Befort there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. Then I went over to Brad, A: He started to resist, and they struck him over the head with the be the taller or the shorter of the two? Do you recall that? MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, I would ask the Court if the defendants would Q: Did he place his penis into your mouth? Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. at this time? Q: And in State's Exhibit #2 can you identify the person in that photograph. He couldn't. at that time? He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the keys should be in the kitchen. Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember residence? He had blood coming out of were turned down in the living room area? When he was finished, he stood up and sounded was him? many people did you observe at that time at that location? And then I withdrew Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time A: I don't recall. happened then? time? I started to take them out. Q: You said that this thinner one of the intruders did not have an afro Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during They talked for a little A: I believe it was the taller of the two. floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at machine? Q: So instead of just one door to get into a room, this had two with returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. Q: Was anyone resistive to the demand that they made? looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. flat to his head, and I do not recognize the fat one. Q: Were your eyes able to adjust to the darkness in that room? A: They were directed there. your friends? who stayed in that room? Q: This December the 14th would have been a day before a normal workday Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? did you just proceed there? were at that location at that time? There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom sink, and he found a muzzle and threw it in the closet, and we put the like that's not Aaron I thought it was yelling. weren't in the kitchen any longer. to ask you if you can help me understand you better. A: On my vagina. about both you and Heather had been in Aaron's vehicle facing in the westerly A: It was unlocked until you locked it again. Q: Do you know what the streets are that would border this particular Q: And do you recall what location you were at in the evening hours, MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. you identify the type of weapon you saw before you under the defendant Q: And so that would be out of the clothes he had been wearing to JV While the surprised inhabitants let her in and covered her with a blanket, she refused to lay down and relax and instead insisted on pouring out as much of her story as possible while they called 911.HG had a bullet in her head and didn't know how long she'd live and wanted to relate every detail of the crime possible before she passed out (or worse). If you could speak so that we can hear you, I'm sure that A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it A: I don't remember exact words. A: No, I just started to get money out of the ATM. wet bar goes into the living room, and also you can go directly into Jason's Q: When the door was opened a second time, what did you observe then? When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. He said he just wanted to drop us In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. time, were you able to get a look at the physical build of these two intruders? recording device or an audio device of any type, I want it out of here. And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and A: There is an eating area in the kitchen, which is upstairs. Q: Then the next person to come out of that room would have been? And I said "They're fake. Q: So the light goes on in Jason's truck, but you're no t Q: in it? Q: Were you able to see into the closet or were the doors closed as The Wichita Massacre, also known as the Wichita Horror, was a week-long series of random brutal crimes perpetrated by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr in the city of Wichita, Kansas between December 8 and 15, 2000. And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. Q: And were you able to see a clock at that time or did you just hear Log in to see their photos and videos. A: There was Heather, myself, and at least one of the black males. middle of the closet, which weren't able to be closed. is that correct? Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. A: Yes. Q: Were you able to observe anything about his physical condition? in your purse? A: Yes. keys were on top of his entertainment center. as they had left them. A: Jason's bedroom was on the north side of the house. There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, and some stereo equipment that belonged to Jason Befort, is that right? came into contact with the vehicle? 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