But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. Just an idea! The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) As you point out, the area already has subway service. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. North of Fulton theres a park for it to curve through, similar to your design for the Second Ave. Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station was constructed as part of the Eastern Parkway Line. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. from those two subway stations [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Abandoned Mineral . Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. 3. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? Connecting the currently planned SAS to Fultons local tracks involves building zero junctions and minimal interlining. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. [8][9][10] On April 28, 1908, the IRT formally applied with the New York Public Service Commission for permission to open the final section of the Contract 2 line from Borough Hall to Atlantic Avenue near the Flatbush Avenue LIRR station. 5. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. Abandoned Stations List; . station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. And another commenter hit upon phasing. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. Now we dont want that, do we? From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. Split track areas. I like the basic idea. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). Just skip it. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. tph, equal to 16 A Div. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. It will cost less. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. Theyll meet up down the road. It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Half a political lifetime ago, Bill de Blasio seemed interested in extending transit to under-served neighborhoods on his own. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). Lower track becomes less of a climb. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. And on what route? from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. Well, thats essentially what IRT rolling stock is; its 3/4 of full size. No spidery stairwells going to the ground. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. 4. Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. Hey, that was me. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. A lower cost solution to your previous By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. I was talking with someone at the MTA and they mentioned that the planners were playing with the idea of building the relay along side the Bay Ridge because there was more space/cheaper than extending a tunnel south. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. The only Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? Pseudo-viaducts. (This post was also meant for a different article.). The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. Four side platforms. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. because Im so taken with the main idea of applying a new technique to Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. Subway prematurely. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. 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